Despite the fact that the civil movement «IN THE NAME OF THE FUTURE» was created only recently, but has already managed to get comments about its creation, and from the camp, which, apparently, have not heard anything about such a concept as complementarism. There were, in particular, allegations that the movement plays into the hands of power. Like it or not, so far it is not clear, since the movement was created recently and has not yet had time to present to the public their goals and plans. However, the fact that it is clearly does not mill the so-called «radical opposition» does not hide and movement leader Levon Yerznkyan. Our conversation with him was conducted on domestic themes, but quickly spilled over into the plane of the foreign policy of our state, and that present to our readers.
— Mr. Yerznkyan, discuss the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh is activated, it periodically, as would subside. Today discussions are in the context that if not today then tomorrow will be refunded seven so-called «occupied areas». Do you think it possible such a development?
— First and foremost we must not forget one simple truth: Nagorno-Karabakh gained its independence on the battlefield, it’s able to defend it, and in this context, the right of the Karabakh people to self-determination is clearly indisputable. And when armenian forces occupied some territories, their main purpose was to create a buffer zone around Karabakh, it is known to all, it was repeatedly noted by many military and government officials in Armenia and Karabakh, and I do not understand what is being made various statements to to bring these facts to oblivion. And at this moment in history where we are, as they say, at a crossroads and must decide what to do next, I think that should fully discuss the possible return of some territories, necessarily in the general context of all aspects of the Karabakh settlement.
— Based on your words, we can assume that you are not against the return of these territories?
— When viewed from a historical point of view, these lands are certainly our birthplace, as well as our motherland is about half the present territory of Turkey — Van, Igdir, Yerznka, and I’m not talking about Nakhichevan. This is a historical reality and there can be no two opinions.
— Every since the beginning of the year, visiting the region, co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group noted that the Karabakh conflict is close to a settlement, there were even some dates: June-July this year. What does it mean, in your opinion?
— This activity suggests that the consultation will continue all possible directions, which, of course, laudable. Ultimately, I believe that the conflict is over.
— But at what cost?
— I think the authorities will do everything possible to the outcome was not adverse to us.
— However, there are people who return to areas considered unfavorable to us, while you, as I understand it, not against such developments.
— And the people that you are talking about, what they offer? Where is they see a solution that is favorable for us? What we need to do, adopt a declaration that these territories are an integral part of Nagorno-Karabakh, and can even join it toArmenia? Do you think this will be the right decision for the country which have declared their commitment to universal and european values? Or do these people think that the status quo would be possible to maintain for centuries? Naturally, I am, sure, as and every Armenian, against surrender of any territory. But the time has come when we must all decide: either we move forward, either we remain in the same place, continuing to admire our great past, thinking that the Armenian Genocide recognition by some European cities or British county is a major victory for our diplomacy. The time has come when we should not be afraid to raise and discuss pressing issues and express definite opinion. Criticize everything and everyone, not offering to replace any concrete decisions, it is very easy.
— What then is your specific position on this issue?
— Our particular position is in de facto independent Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh. A way how to achieve it, are now being discussed.
— You mentioned the theme of Genocide. Let’s move on to another unresolved issue — unresolved Armenian-Turkish relations. A few days ago, Foreign Minister of Armenia said that the turkish officials is not discussed a possible recognition of the genocide.
— With regard to recognition of the Genocide, the issue here is that we are constantly talking about that, but do not say that this will give Armenia. That is, imagine that Turkey recognize the Genocide, then what? We will demand our land back? We require a financial recovery? Government of Armenia is not specifically designated position, a clear vision of the political consequences of this step on the part of Turkey. We must first define themselves in what we want, because that is the question of creating of nervousness in Turkey, they just do not know the consequences of their recognition of the genocide. This issue should be the subject of extensive debate in our society.
— Linked to each other matters Genocide and opening Armenian-Turkish border, in your opinion?
— I think not. In my opinion, we should not pay much attention to the issue of opening the border. For years, we live in a closed border, yet will live as we want, and it is not clear whether the override expected benefit from the opening of the border all the possible problems and threats. So any preconditions on the part of Turkey’s opening of the border are simply unacceptable. This question should not even be a matter of debate, it is an internal affair of Turkey. They open the border — we’ll discuss whether we use this boundary or not. And by the Turkey logical and right step, as an expression of goodwill, is establishing diplomatic relations without preconditions with Armenia. It is would so helped to a climate of tolerance in the region and demonstrate a genuine turkish desire to settle our relations. At the same time, it is clear that consultation with the Turkish side on the issue of normalization of relations should be continued.
— But is it right the content of these consultations, to keep secret from the public? Agree that it creates unnecessary tension, whether we need it now?
— I will tell you that in the policy discussion of any serious problem differs in that in an atmosphere of mutual trust is a free exchange of opinions, resulting in possible discussion on even the most unrealistic at the moment variations. Nobody is saying that the issues discussed today, become tomorrow’s reality, but I can assure you that an open discussion of such issues would create a much more serious tensions, especially is our political sphere how much we have in the various political forces, that have no principled in they are even presented politics. I am sure of one thing — the current leadership of our country will not allow an unfavorable outcome, nor in the Karabakh settlement either in the Armenian-Turkish relations. We just all have to be patient, stop trying to artificially create tension by combining all the healthy forces of society to begin to work together for the future of our country.
March 31, 2009.
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